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In this week’s episode of Bankless, we welcome Byrne Hobart, financial analyst, writer of "The Diff," and author of Boom: How Speculation Can End Stagnation. Byrne joins us to discuss a contrarian yet compelling argument: speculative bubbles, often seen as destructive, might be the solution to our current period of stagnation. Here’s a breakdown of the conversation:
The Stagnation Problem
Byrne posits that modern society is in a period of "secular stagnation," characterized by a slowdown in transformative progress. Drawing on thinkers like Tyler Cowen, he argues that much of the “low-hanging fruit” of innovation—land development, mass education, basic tech upgrades—has already been picked. Byrne identifies five key contributors to stagnation:
- Risk Aversion: Culturally, society has grown more cautious, prioritizing safety over bold innovation.
- Overregulation: A focus on incrementalism stifles groundbreaking advances.
- Loss of Hard Money: The financial system’s shift post-Bretton Woods has led to rampant financialization.
- Demographics: Aging populations and declining fertility rates create a drag on economic dynamism.
- Broken Science: Academia optimizes for citations over meaningful breakthroughs.
Byrne challenges the notion that slower growth is inherently bad, arguing that while some de-accelerationists fear the risks of technologies like nuclear power, biotech, and AI, the rewards of innovation outweigh the risks of stagnation.
Bubbles as a Solution
What if bubbles, often dismissed as irrational exuberance, are actually a mechanism for pulling the future forward? Byrne explains that speculative bubbles channel massive amounts of capital and talent into ambitious projects that might otherwise go unfunded. Historical examples like the dot-com boom and Bitcoin’s rise highlight how bubbles can accelerate technological progress.
Key distinctions:
- Mean-Reversion Bubbles: Ultimately destructive, such as the 2008 housing crisis.
- Inflection Bubbles: Productive, driving society toward new frontiers, like the internet or renewable energy.
Byrne sees bubbles as self-fulfilling prophecies fueled by optimism, FOMO, and overinvestment. They create cultural momentum, enabling narratives that inspire and unify participants.
The Cultural and Spiritual Value of Bubbles
Beyond economics, Byrne argues that bubbles have profound cultural and spiritual benefits. They provide participants with a sense of purpose, offering an escape from the stagnation of mimetic desire and a new "operating system" for progress. Bubbles, he suggests, are the great cultural projects of our time, solving crises of meaning and catalyzing collective action.
Crypto and the Religion of Bubbles
Crypto is a prime example of a productive bubble, blending technology, finance, and cultural movement. Byrne explores Bitcoin’s dual nature as both technology and religion, reflecting broader societal dynamics. Speculative manias in crypto blur the line between hype and progress, challenging participants to foster innovation while avoiding harmful excesses.
Where Are the Next Bubbles?
Byrne predicts that the next wave of bubbles will form around transformative frontiers:
- Incorruptible Money and Property: Blockchain and crypto innovations.
- Infinite Frontier: Space exploration and colonization.
- Immortal Life: Advances in biotech and mind-uploading technologies.
- Eternal Energy: Sustainable and limitless energy sources.
Reigniting the Spirit of Speculation
To reignite the spirit of bubbles, Byrne calls for a cultural and structural shift that embraces risk-taking and visionary optimism. Speculative bubbles, he argues, are not just financial phenomena but vital components of human progress.
This conversation with Byrne Hobart is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of finance, technology, and culture. Tune in to hear why bubbles might be humanity’s best bet for breaking free from stagnation and reaching new heights of innovation.