Can PumpFun be Dethroned? ETH's Pectra Upgrade | Future of Bitcoin L2s | Jon, Bread, & Andy8052

The memecoin meta has a new king: Pump.fun. But can its reign last?

In today’s Bankless episode, we’re joined by three of crypto’s sharpest minds—Jon Charbonneau, Bread, and Andy8052—to dissect the wild momentum behind Pump.fun and ask the big question: Can anyone actually dethrone it?

Pump.fun’s simplicity and virality have captured attention across the Solana ecosystem and beyond. We break down what makes the platform so sticky, the psychological design behind its game-like mechanics, and why imitators on other chains (like Base and Ethereum) haven’t caught on the same way—at least, not yet.

But it’s not all memes and gigabrains.

We pivot to Ethereum’s upcoming Pectra upgrade, which will introduce a suite of changes around account abstraction (ERC-4337), verkle trees, and long-awaited improvements to wallet UX. Our guests weigh in on how this shift could finally deliver the seamless experience needed for the next wave of users—and how wallets might become programmable apps in their own right.

Finally, we talk Bitcoin.

With BitVM on the horizon and new trust-minimized bridges and rollup-style systems gaining traction, Bitcoin’s L2 scene is suddenly alive with innovation. But is the tech real? Is the liquidity there? And will Bitcoiners embrace it?

This roundtable covers it all—from token mechanics to protocol architecture, social coordination to scalability bottlenecks—with a mix of insight, banter, and big-picture thinking. Whether you’re memecoin-maxi or a serious protocol builder, this one’s for you.